State of Things

Matthew matthew at
Wed Nov 23 16:22:20 EST 2022

I'm sorry if something I wrote came across as unappreciative or as tasking
you with more work. I can see how mentioning mailman archive import into
discord could be perceived as that, but I only intended It as a potential
solution to the problem you described (which I perceived as seeking
suggestions on how to handle archives).

The current thread about static html archives seems completely fine to me.

Regarding getting sign-off, how many people need to chime in for that, a
majority? I think we only had three people respond last time.

I have no objections to payment for work.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 6:19 PM Gary Kramlich <grim at> wrote:

> Greetings All,
> This email isn't exactly a happy one, but please bear with me...
> First of all, I woke up today to see that AWS has created a new
> container tool named Finch[1]. I reached out on their issue
> tracker[2], and they basically said "they don't care". I reached out
> to SFC via Twitter[3] but will be reaching out to them via email
> shortly. I also reached out to Cory Doctorow to see if he has any
> thoughts as we have a working relationship.
> Second, you all may or may not be aware of the crap going over on
> Twitter, but Logan Abbot, the current President of SourceForge and
> some other stuff, seems to be in full support of it[4]. This is
> basically the last straw for me, I've defended the new management in
> the past, but it's just time to move on. Fastly has Open Source
> plans[4] and I've reached out to them to apply for one. Assuming it's
> granted, I'm planning on copying all releases to fastly and putting
> new releases there as well, but we'll leave the existing files on
> SourceForge due to history and the inability to redirect (I believe).
> Next up.. Email... So you may have noticed, absolutely nothing has
> happened with the email. The reason for that is that I came to you all
> with a plan, and I never really got signoff either way. In fact, I
> even got doubts and suggestions to look at other services that have
> only been recommended to people. This definitely rubbed me the wrong
> way. I've been busting my butt to keep this project and foundation
> relevant, and it seems like that's not enough or people don't realize
> how time consuming all of this is. And to top it off, literally no one
> even acknowledged my question of "Would IMF be willing to pay me for
> this work?". I want to get this email problem off my plate, but if I'm
> going to be second guessed and expected to investigate every option
> people have heard of without getting paid then I'm literally just not
> going to do it as I have much more impactful things to work on.
> Finally, I talked to Robert McQueen (aka robot101) a former Gaim
> contributor and current president of the GNOME foundation. I
> originally set up that call to determine if there was any funding or
> support the GNOME foundation could offer us, but basically that would
> just be GNOME Circle[6] now which I need to investigate yet.
> But the discussion eventually turned to  possibly moving Pidgin under
> the GNOME umbrella. The foundation has a precedent for this already as
> they basically just handle money and stuff for GIMP. We have discussed
> folding the corporation before and it may be a bit late to start that
> process this year, but this is a viable option. That said, we didn't
> talk about the Adium stuff at all, but I don't think handling domain
> registration would necessarily be a problem either.
> And in non-gloomy news, we finally created a Mastodon account for
> pidgin  on[7].
> [1]
> [2]
> [3]
> [4]
> [5]
> [6]
> [7] @pidgin at
> Thanks,
> --
> Gary Kramlich <grim at>
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