The email situation and plan?

Gary Kramlich grim at
Tue Oct 18 19:27:43 EDT 2022

On Tue, Oct 18, 2022, 18:23 Richard Laager <rlaager at> wrote:

> I am fine with the idea of “giving up” on Mailman in favor of something
> else. Likewise for not self-hosting email.
> I don’t know about mailgun. If you are looking for other options:
> I’ve heard real good things about Fastmail. You might ask them if they’d
> donate free hosting.

The main things for me are smto relay so we can keep email working from
reviewboard and other tools. But I'll look into fast mail too.

If you just want basic IMAP (with optional webmail) for one or more
> domains, Wiktel could donate that. We have cPanel or non-cPanel hosting. No
> 2 factor right now. (I know. I know.)

Our primary concern here is smto relay and aliases to forward stuff like
president at and stuff.

> --
> Richard
> On Oct 18, 2022, at 16:52, Gary Kramlich <grim at> wrote:
> So yeah.. Another quarter and email isn't done.. Sorry this has taken
> so long, it's just difficult and complicated.. That said, I was
> talking to Robby O'Conner (r0bby from #pidgin) and he's in charge of
> the infrastructure for librehealth[1] and he mentioned that they use
> mailgun[2] for their email.
> Mailgun doesn't have an Open Source plan, which means we'd need to pay
> for it. It does support both incoming routing rules (it looks like for
> multiple domains but I need to confirm) as well email forwarding and
> even a REST API if we need that for some reason. The price for 10,000
> emails a month (their lowest plan) is $35 per month, which would be
> about $420 USD a year. This seems like an obvious no-brainer to me as
> supporting, securing, and maintaining an email system is no simple
> task and we can make it not our problem for less than $500 USD a year.
> So my plan, with the board's approval, is to roll out Discourse[3] on
> a DigitalOcean node, import the mailman users lists into it, and
> create spaces for Pidgin, Finch, Purple, GNT, and IMFreedom on it with
> appropriate threads and stuff to replace our existing mailing lists.
> We would then point Discourse to the current email server that Richard
> has patiently been hosting as I try to get this all figured out. Once
> that move is complete, we would then replace the email server with
> mailgun and finally move past this.
> I need to verify a few things yet, like confirming that mailgun does
> support multiple domains, how robust their incoming filters are, and
> testing the user import from mailman into Discourse.
> When it comes to the existing archives, the easiest solution is to
> just dump them in a container with pipermail and serve them at the
> existing URLs, but I'd really like to not have to require that old
> version of mailman to get pipermail. So if anyone knows of another
> solution, including just rendering it all out to static HTML please
> let me know.
> Also, as a side note, I will be looking for employment soon as I'm
> running out of funds, so if the board would like to pay me to do this
> stuff, that would be very cool but of course not expected.
> [1]
> [2]
> [3]
> Thanks,
> --
> Gary Kramlich <grim at>
> _______________________________________________
> Board mailing list
> Board at
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <>

More information about the Board mailing list