I have an idea, does it already exist? anyone interested?

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>
> That's a great idea, keep a .txt format and a more complete log at the same
> time, this way everyone is happy..


As a user I think that's great. I'd like to be able to read logs without a
special software/readers (in txt format). Having a rich text format,
preservation of conversation and metadata is even better.

2011/1/2 Youness Alaoui <kakaroto at kakaroto.homelinux.net>:
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 4:48 PM, David Smith <catfish.man at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>> I would find any sentence containing "most people" and "vi" (or even ssh)
>> extremely suspect. Of the five people currently in the house I'm in, for
>> example, I'm the only one even capable of doing that, and I have no
reason
>> or desire to. Am I missing something?
>
> haha, that's a very good point :) Well, the ssh/vi was for my use case,
but
> still, a lot of people do complain in amsn forums about not being able to
> read their logs in notepad/whatever because the format is 'weird'.
> I wouldn't say "most people", but I'd still say a significant portion of
the
> users want that feature.
>
>>
>> As for log format standards, there was a valiant attempt by Adium
>> developers and Pidgin Summer of Code students, but it ended up not
getting
>> much/any adoption outside of Adium. I would say things to consider are:
>> searchability, portability, convertibility, quick access to the last N
>> messages (many clients pull the last messages from a chat for context
when
>> opening a new chat, and lag there is unacceptable), preservation of
message
>> *and* chat metadata, and preservation of attachments (direct IM images
for
>> example).
>
> Humm.. not getting much adoption outside of Adium, but is it because it
> sucked? or just because noone cared? If their solution is good and
efficient
> and well documented, we might as well use it and try to standardize it.
> About the requirements, it's a good idea to try to get a list of
> requirements and quantify them. I'd add to the list "easily/quickly get
the
> log size", aMSN has a "sort contacts by log size" for the contact list.
>>
>> One thing that occurs to me is that storage on most devices is large
>> enough these days that it might be acceptable to store some sort of
package
>> file with both a human-readable text representation and a full-metadata
>> database or markup representation of some sort.
>
> That's a great idea, keep a .txt format and a more complete log at the
same
> time, this way everyone is happy.. the issue with that is the confusion to
> the users : "I don't understand, I deleted the log, how come it still
shows
> it to me in the log viewer of the app!", but I think that's not a big deal
> (if .txt file is missing, delete db file, or put both files in the same
dir
> with similar filenames, so the user can see them and delete them both if
> he's not too dumb, etc..)
> KaKaRoTo
>
>>
>>        David
>>
>> On Dec 30, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Youness Alaoui wrote:
>>
>> > From experience, I'd say most people want to browse their logs with a
>> > simple text editor (vi/less over ssh).
>> > Having a standard is a good idea though, I just don't know anything
>> > about couchdb so I can't really talk about whether or not it's a good
idea
>> > to use it.
>> > I think it's important to ask questions like 'is it scalable?', 'can
you
>> > group messages?' (for example a message from X on a private chat,
versus on
>> > a group chat).
>> > I think the telepathy team should be included in this talk, their
>> > telepathy-logger would also benefit from a standard format (see
>> > http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Logger ).
>> >
>> > KaKaRoTo
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Mariano Guerra
>> > <luismarianoguerra at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Roger Duran <roger at rogerpc.com.ar>
>> > wrote:
>> > > I think it's a great idea.
>> > >
>> > > Also desktopcouch, the version ubuntu has, its on freedesktop
>> > > http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktopcouch
>> >
>> > from what I see we should define a format for "Conversations" and try
>> > to add it to the desktopcouch specification.
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